【键盘侠】坎特认为锡安被高估|要怪就怪媒体吹得太过？

2019-06-27 19:36:00 我乐直播 www.wolezhibo.com

[Enes Kanter] I kind of feel like Zion is over-hyped. I feel like he is Julius Randle with 'hops'. That's what I believe. Some players are scared to say it but you know me I'm not scared to say anything.

坎特：我觉得锡安有点被过度吹捧了，他就是有“弹跳力”的兰德尔。我就是这么认为的。有些人不敢说出来，可是你们知道的，我说啥都不怕。

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[–][GSW] Kevin Durant shanetrey5 30 points 8 hours ago

That’s cause no one cares what you say bro

勇士球迷：那是因为没人在乎你说啥啊，老铁

[–]Clippers jcw4455 49 points 8 hours ago*

Some people aren't stupid enough to say it.

Enes doesn't have that problem.

快船球迷：有些人还没蠢到会说这个话的地步。

坎特就没这个烦恼了。

[–]Knicks The_MadStork 44 points 8 hours ago

Julius Randle is Enes Kanter with hops.

尼克斯球迷：兰德尔就是有弹跳的坎特。

[–]Pistons ReggieZoldyk21 2182 points 6 hours ago

I don’t know why people keep saying this like it’s an insult. Julius Randle with hops is an all star lol.

活塞球迷：不知道大家为啥一直觉得坎特这话是在侮辱锡安。有弹跳的兰德尔可就是个全明星了啊，哈哈哈

[–]Lakers Adam2190 39 points 8 hours ago

A more athletic Julius Randle is a pretty damn good player.

湖人球迷：一个更有运动能力的兰德尔还真特么很厉害。

[–]Raptors krawvhin04 43 points 8 hours ago

Zion can play good defense though. If Randle could play halfway decent defense he'd be one of the better big men in the league.

猛龙球迷：可是锡安防守不错啊。要是兰德尔的防守能说得过去，那他就是联盟里实力更强的那批内线之一。

[–]Celtics BrandonIngramDaGoat1 38 points 8 hours ago

Randle with hops and defense is easily a top 10 player.

凯尔特人球迷：兰德尔要是有弹跳和防守的话，那他很轻松就能成为前十的球员啊

[–]IamDocbrown 148 points 6 hours ago

but Zion is being sold as generational talent which is leaps and bounds ahead of simply being an all star

可是大家不都说锡安是那种一代人才出一个的天才吗，仅仅成为全明星可远远不够啊

[–]Nets Lambchops_Legion 74 points 6 hours ago

Julius Randle with hops is an all star lol

I feel like even "Julius Randle with hops" is selling his potential short as he projects to have much better defense, passing, and handles than Randle.

There's a very realistic possibility that Zion ends up being a point-forward/center.

篮网球迷：“有弹跳的兰德尔可就是个全明星了啊，哈哈哈”

我觉得即便说他是有弹跳的兰德尔也贬低了锡安的天赋，因为按照预想，他将拥有比兰德尔强的多的防守、传球和控球。

锡安最后是很有可能成长为一名控球型前锋或中锋的。

[–][CLE] Kevin Love Sartuk 31 points 6 hours ago

I'm not sure Zion's passing will ever be good enough to really run a great offense around, but I mean, I could totally be wrong with that. And while the rest is true, he's also a worse free throw shooter at this stage in his career than Randle was...so there's one thing Randle actually has an advantage on. Randle is also a little taller and has a longer wingspan than Zion.

All of that said, a hyper athletic, hop out of the building version of Randle is still, like, amazingly good, right? Randle just averaged an efficient 21/8.7. Give him a huge dose of explosiveness (which should also translate well to the defensive end) and you have an absolutely, 100% perennial All-Star at worst.

I don't see this as a knock on Zion at all, although Kanter certainly meant it as such.

骑士球迷：我不确定锡安的传球是否厉害到真能组织出流畅的进攻的地步，不过也许是我错了。即便他的其他能力都是靠谱的，他目前的罚球可是连兰德尔都不如的……所以兰德尔目前还是有一项长处的。而且兰德尔的身高和臂展都比锡安好一点。

话虽如此，一个运动能力超强、弹跳出色的兰德尔也是强得出奇的啊，对不？兰德尔上赛季可是刚奉献出了21+8.7的高效数据啊。要是再赋予他极强的爆发力（这也能强化他的防守）的话，那最差也能是个常驻全明星啊。

我可一点也不认为坎特这话是在针对锡安，虽说他就是这个意思。

[–]Nets Lambchops_Legion 14 points 6 hours ago

Yeah but Zion had to work to be Randle of today. If Zion is already Randle w/ defense and handles and worse FT shooting without a single ounce of professional development yet, that's pretty damn good

篮网球迷：没错，可是锡安还得努力才有如今兰德尔的实力啊。如果现在尚未经过职业联赛打磨的锡安已经有了兰德尔的防守、控球，即便罚球更菜，那也是很特么厉害了啊。

[–]Thunder dollarbillrussell 19 points 5 hours ago

I’ll be very surprised if Zion is as good in his rookie year as Randle was this year.

雷霆球迷：要是锡安处子赛季就能打出现在兰德尔的实力，那我会很震惊的。

[–]kobmug 29 points 8 hours ago

I can't remember where I heard this but one of those random draft gurus said that Zion is going to be a late bloomer because of his limited handle and jump shooting concerns. Guy said that he'll make more of an impact defensively than offensively early in his career.

我记不清是哪个选秀专家说过，锡安会大器晚成的，因为他受限于控球技术和跳投。那专家说他在职业生涯初期在防守端的贡献会大于进攻端。

[–]Pelicans Good_NewsEveryone 23 points 8 hours ago

Maybe I've just been watching too many scouting report videos but I don't see Zion's handle as worse than Randle's. And aside from hops, the lateral quickness really separates them. Randle is a freight train with no breaks and blinders on dead set on the rim. Zion's change of direction really sets him apart more than the hops to me.

鹈鹕球迷：或许是我看了太多的球探报告视频，但是我真不觉得锡安的控球比兰德尔还菜。而且除了弹跳，锡安的横向移动速度是真的出色。兰德尔就是个没辆没有刹车的货运列车，眼里就只有篮筐。在我看来，锡安对节奏的掌控才是他真正有别于兰德尔的地方。

[–]kobmug 14 points 7 hours ago

His handle isn't worse than Randle's but it isn't really any better either.

It will all depend on how NOLA uses him, if the idea is to use him in a LeBron type role I don't think his handle is good enough for that.

他的控球确实不比兰德尔差，可也没真强哪儿去。

这就看鹈鹕怎么用他了，如果他们想把锡安当詹姆斯用，那我觉得他的控球还不够好。

[–]Bucks malacorn 41 points 6 hours ago

at this point, anything less than Lebron career would disappoint people lol

雄鹿球迷：都这个份上了，只要他的生涯成就不如詹姆斯就会让很多人失望，哈哈哈

[–]Pistons fatt_maddison 5 points 3 hours ago

That's because ESPN has been telling us he's the next LeBron for the past year.

活塞球迷：还不是因为ESPN这一年来一直跟我们吹，说锡安是下一个詹姆斯。

[–]Jazz yeshua1986 2 points 2 hours ago

This used to happen with “the next Jordan”. Every top high school player had that title at some point.

爵士球迷：以前还有各种“下一个乔丹”呢。每一个顶尖的高中生都会被冠以这个头衔。

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[–][MIN] Andrew Wiggins matija17k 169 points 8 hours ago

He boutta be put on a poster

森林狼球迷：坎特要上海报咯！

[–][BOS] Jaylen Brown bobmcadoo9088 720 points 7 hours ago

aaaand tomahawk postered by zion

凯尔特人球迷：还是被锡安战斧式颜扣！

[–]Lakers username2420 125 points 6 hours ago

Followed by the next play: Zion lobs it to Randle who also posters Kantar

湖人球迷：然后紧接着：锡安空接给兰德尔再次隔扣坎特！

[–][PHI] Allen Iverson KingPZe 71 points 7 hours ago

Zion vs Kanter. Slam Dunk 2020

76人球迷：2020年扣篮大赛：锡安vs坎特

[–]Pelicans BliqPentha 127 points 7 hours ago

And what if he's Draymond with hops?

鹈鹕球迷：假如锡安是有弹跳的追梦，那会怎样？

[–]IntelBroker1 2 points 5 hours ago

Then he's HOF

那他就能进名人堂了。

[–]GenghisBron 41 points 7 hours ago

Zion doesn't have the defensive IQ or footwork of Draymond and his standing reach/wingspan is 3 inches shorter.

锡安可没有追梦那种防守球商和脚步动作，而且他的站立摸高和臂展也比追梦矮3英寸。

[–]76ers SonicdaSloth 18 points 7 hours ago

the IQ, footwork can be improved. he was smothering in college when he was dialed in on that side. Can't do much.

i guess my point was Randle isn't a great comparison b/c Zion is a better prospect on D than he is on O at the moment

76人球迷：球商和脚步都是可以练出来的，锡安在大学打球的时候只要他好好打，就能大杀四方啊。你就是没辙啊

我的意思是，拿兰德尔和锡安比并不合适，因为锡安在防守端的潜力比进攻端更大。

[–]Cavaliers SaxRohmer 12 points 6 hours ago

IQ can be improved but at Draymond’s level it’s far more innate than taught

骑士球迷：球商是可以提高，可是追梦那种级别的球商远不是可以教出来的，这就是天生的。

[–]Timberwolves DuBakElite 959 points 7 hours ago

I respect the honesty

森林狼球迷：我很欣赏坎特的实在。

[–]waterunderthefridge1 806 points 7 hours ago

The Turkish government doesn’t

土耳其政府可不这么看

[–]Timberwolves r3vv 196 points 7 hours ago

Next we’re going to find out Erdogan is trying to extradite Kanter on the grounds of Erdogan being a Zion Stan.

森林狼球迷：接下来咱们就能看到艾尔多安因为疯狂迷恋锡安而要引渡走坎特。

[–]Lakers Gristle__McThornbody 25 points 8 hours ago

What would happen if Turkoglu dunked on Kanter?

湖人球迷：要是特科格鲁隔扣坎特会发生啥？

[–]cafoo 17 points 7 hours ago

Another coup

又一次政变。

[–]Wizards K_U 227 points 7 hours ago

What Enes is hinting at is a legitimate risk with Zion that nobody really addresses; he is a short PF with a good offensive game that can't shoot well enough to play on the wing. Even the best of those guys are not franchise players; Zach Randolph, Paul Milsap, Kenneth Faried, Julius Randle, etc. Zion is much more athletic than those guys, but I think there is a real discussion to be had around what Zion's ceiling as a franchise centerpiece is unless he can expand his game in the pros.

奇才球迷：坎特这话其实是暗指大家都没指出的锡安的一个隐患，他是个进攻很强，可是投射能力却还没强到可以打侧翼的矮个大前锋。这种类型的球员里，即便是那些佼佼者也不是球队的头牌：兰多夫、米尔萨普、法里埃德、兰德尔等等。锡安的运动能力比他们劲爆得多，可是我觉得吧，要说锡安作为球队核心的上限能有多高，这还值得商榷，除非他进入NBA后能丰富进攻手段。

[–]Jazz CompleteFish 15 points 7 hours ago

Zach Randolph was a franchise player.

爵士球迷：人兰多夫当年可就是球队头牌……

[–]Timberwolves DuBakElite 88 points 7 hours ago

That is very true. Also, people forget the draft has the reputation of a crapshoot for a reason—it’s wildly unpredictable. To act like Zion is gonna be a surefire Star is irresponsible and stupid. It’s ok to have a differing take

森林狼球迷：之前那哥们儿说的非常对。还有啊，大家怕是都忘了吧，咱们说选秀就是一次豪赌可是有原因的：这事儿谁也说不准啊。要是现在就说锡安以后妥妥的能成为球星，那就是不负责任且愚蠢。有不同的观点也是OK的。

[–]Wizards ireddit270 76 points 7 hours ago

Ive seen people saying he’s gonna be better than Anthony Davis.

I can’t possibly conceive a world in which Zion is ever better than AD is now. Imo it’s just silly to even project him being at such a lofty level before he plays a game.

奇才球迷：我还看到有人说他以后会比戴维斯还强呢。

我是真没法意淫出一个锡安以后会比现在的戴维斯还厉害的世界。我觉吧，在他一场NBA都没打的情况下就YY他能达到这种高度，这就是蠢。

[–][NYK] Langston Galloway MFDOOM_is_the_GOAT 41 points 6 hours ago

AD can do everything offensively and he's a beast on defense. What the fuck are these people on?

尼克斯球迷：戴维斯在进攻端可是无所不能啊，而且防守端也猛。那些人特么是在想啥呢？

[–]Trail Blazers DAM1313 3 points 6 hours ago

You can't think of a way? Zion would be better if he developed an above average 3 point shot, and his other skills translate as advertised

开拓者球迷：你觉得这不可能吗？要是锡安能练出一手高于平均线的三分投射，而且其他技术能像现在吹的那样兑现出来的话，那还真比戴维斯厉害。

[–][CLE] LeBron James thirstyjoe24 25 points 6 hours ago

Won't ever be as good or as versatile a defender as AD is and that's not a knock on Zion

骑士球迷：他的防守是绝对不可能有戴维斯那么厉害或者是全面的，这也不是针对锡安。

[–]Magic AurumTP 21 points 6 hours ago

AD was one of the best college defenders of all time, no way Zion comes in at the same defensive level he did

魔术球迷：戴维斯曾经是史上最出色的大学防守人之一，锡安是绝不可能达到戴维斯这个防守水平的。

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[–][SAS] Manu Ginobili papa_sax 1350 points 6 hours ago*

This actually reminds me of a segment either ESPN or FS1 did where they asked "What if Zion was the next Blake Griffin".

It's like Blake Griffin is a scrub or something

马刺球迷：这真让我想起了ESPN还是FS1的某期节目，他们问“假如锡安是下一个格里芬呢？”

搞得像格里芬很水一样……

[–]Pistons ReggieZoldyk21 594 points 6 hours ago

I know I saw that video, it pissed me off so much. I hate when I see people say “Zion is only going to be Blake Griffin.” Like it’s bad to be be a dude who is arguably a top 10 player today and was an MVP candidate in 2014. Pelicans fans should be thankful if Zion ever even comes near Blake Griffin lol.

活塞球迷：我看了那个节目，气不打一处来啊。我看到有些人说什么“锡安的上限最多也就是个格里芬”的时候就很不爽。格里芬可是如今的联盟前十球员，而且2014年还一度是MVP候选人啊，这种模板都不行？要是锡安以后的高度能接近格里芬，那鹈鹕球迷真该谢天谢地了，哈哈哈

[–][NYK] Nate Robinson TheKnicksHateMe 864 points 6 hours ago

I couldn't even fabricate an argument that would make Blake a top-10 player

尼克斯球迷：我实在是想不出一个理由来说服自己格里芬现在是前十球员……：

[–][GSW] Draymond Green jthc 45 points 5 hours ago

I could. Blake was fucking amazing this year, one of the most skilled and impactful frontcourt players. I'd definitely put him on Jokic's or Lillard's level this year.

勇士球迷：我可以。格里芬这个赛季表现很特么秀啊，他是最有技术且最具影响力的前场之一。就上赛季的表现来说，我绝对会把他放到约基奇或者利拉德那一档。

[–][TOR] Andrea Bargnani thisisnotjonah 144 points 4 hours ago

You guys forget how great Blake is when he’s healthy... he can do pretty much everything offensively. Explosive, decent shooting touch, good passer, can put the ball on the floor and an excellent rebounder.

猛龙球迷：有些人怕是忘了健康的格里芬有多强……他在进攻端几乎是无所不能的。很有爆发力，手感也算柔和，传球很秀，还能持球，并且篮板也是好手。

[–][NYK] Nate Robinson TheKnicksHateMe 83 points 4 hours ago

Nobody is hating on Blake. When he is at his very very best he's still not better than Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi, Harden, Durant, Curry,Davis, Lillard, Irving, George, Jokic or Embiid.

There is nothing wrong with being the 15th or 16th best player in a league that's comprised of only the best players in the world.

尼克斯球迷：没人黑格里芬。当他现在状态非常非常在线时，他还是比不过字母哥、詹姆斯、小卡、哈登、杜兰特、库里、戴维斯、利拉德、欧文、乔治、约基奇或者是恩比德。

NBA毕竟是由一撮世界最强者组成的联赛，说他排在第十五六位也是可以的嘛。

[–]Pacers mcshkan 19 points 5 hours ago

This dude clearly never watched his games this year

步行者球迷：老哥你明显是没看过格里芬上赛季的比赛。

[–]Pistons ASpartanLeopard 141 points 4 hours ago

I think you could make a good argument that Blake was better than Kyrie and Lillard this year

活塞球迷：我觉得说格里芬上赛季比欧文和利拉德强还是很有说服力的。

[–]P-Run 39 points 3 hours ago

Kyrie: yes. Lillard: sorry but no way

比欧文强，那确实。比利拉德强？对不住，没门。

[–]GlitteringSwitch 47 points 4 hours ago

He's absolutely better than Irving. There's a few other players I'd be comfortable edging over Blake in the top 15. But in my lists he's just barely outside of the top 10 - and obviously with KD out next year there's more open landscape.

格里芬肯定是比欧文强的。前15里有些球员排在格里芬前边我是可以接受的。可是在我看来，他只是在前十之外一点点，而下赛季阿杜又不打，那格里芬前进的空间更多了。

[–]rob24lakers 45 points 3 hours ago

I think he looked more dominant than Paul George in the playoffs too

我觉得格里芬在季后赛里打得比乔治更有统治力。

[–]Thunder TjBeezy 103 points 3 hours ago

Prime Blake finished top 3 in MVP voting lol. Without injuries Blake is top 10 player. With injuries he's still top 15-20.

雷霆球迷：巅峰期的格里芬可是MVP投票的前三啊，哈哈哈。没有伤病的格里芬就是前十球员。即便有伤，他也是前15-20级别的。

[–]Clippers KianNeon 40 points 3 hours ago

The criticisms against Blake are being injury prone, being ethnically ambiguous, that one season where Charles Barkley shat on him for not punching guys, and that one season where he punched a guy.

No one really criticizes how good he is at basketball.

快船球迷：针对格里芬的黑点就是他的玻璃属性、种族不确定性，有个赛季巴克利喷他不用拳头说话，还有个赛季大家喷他用拳头打人。

其实并没有人黑他的篮球能力。

[–]rajshahlok 9 points 6 hours ago

Who has the longest arms?

Blake, Randle, or Zion?

格里芬、兰德尔和锡安，这三人谁的臂展最长？

[–]mrbotakku 17 points 5 hours ago

Always thought Randle had T-Rex arms.

我一直都觉得兰德尔的手臂是霸王龙的。

[–]Wizards luapchung 8 points 2 hours ago

Randle actually has a 7’0” wingspan lol Zion has 6’10” wingspan

奇才球迷：实际上呢，兰德尔的臂展是7尺，而锡安的臂展是6尺10寸，哈哈哈

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[–]NatiboyB 23 points 8 hours ago

Julius Randle with hops is a damn good player...But why are people acting like Julius isn't a good player or even athletic?

有弹跳的兰德尔那可特么太秀了……可是为啥大家搞得像现在的兰德尔不厉害甚至是没有运动能力呢？

[–][LAL] Eddie Jones Kidfreedom50 20 points 7 hours ago

Seriously, he just put up 21/9 on 60% TS and Zion projects to be that plus elite touch and better defense. That is an All-NBA player.

湖人球迷：讲真，兰豆这赛季刚拿到21+9的数据，真实命中率60%，要是锡安在此基础上还能有出色的手感和更强的防守，那都可以进最佳阵了。

[–]Nuggets jdorje 414 points 8 hours ago*

Jesus Christ can you imagine if Randle was the most athletic player in the league? He'd be unstoppable.

Edit: I'm assuming Kanter is only talking about offense, where Zion does have a fairly similar game to Randle only with massive athleticism. Zion also plays defense, of course (unlike Randle and Kanter).

掘金球迷：我天呐，要是兰德尔成为联盟最具运动天赋的球员你敢想象？那他就没法阻挡了。

编辑：我猜坎特的意思只是说进攻，这样来看的话锡安确实和兰德尔很相似，只是运动天赋强很多。当然了，锡安还有防守（不像兰德尔和坎特）。

[–]Pelicans Andtheyrustledsoftly 88 points 8 hours ago

And a better passer and ball handler

鹈鹕球迷：他的传球和控球都比兰德尔厉害

[–]Pelicans BliqPentha 76 points 8 hours ago

I think this is the wrong way to look at it. Randle is often braindead on defense. Athleticism won't fix that.

Zion has excellent defensive instincts and skill. It's not just athleticism he has on Randle.

鹈鹕球迷：我觉得大家要是那么理解就错了。兰德尔在进攻端经常死心眼，光靠运动能力是解决不了的。

锡安的防守意识和技术都是很强的，他超出兰德尔的可不只有运动天赋。

[–]Nuggets jdorje 60 points 8 hours ago

Well, I'm giving Enes the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's only talking about offense. He is Kanter, after all.

掘金球迷：这么说吧，坎特这么说还是有理的，我猜他只是针对进攻来说的。毕竟他是坎特。

[–]Nets StewartTurkeylink 20 points 7 hours ago

Yeah. Kanter doesn't spend any time thinking about defense.

篮网球迷：没错！坎特可不会费功夫去考虑啥防守。

[–]Nets StewartTurkeylink 8 points 7 hours ago

You can't really count on Kanter to evaluate Zion's ability on D. Based on what we've seen on court, Kanter literally has no idea what defense even is.

篮网球迷：你真不能指望坎特去评判锡安的防守能力。基于我们以往所见，坎特是真不知道防守是啥。

[–]Hawks AsheliaDalmasca4096 17 points 8 hours ago

Even a Randle who plays defense would be insane.

His stats and efficiency are all-star level.

老鹰球迷：哪怕只是一个有防守的兰德尔也很了不起了啊。

他的数据和效率都是全明星级别的。

[–]Knicks sackshow 145 points 8 hours ago

I hope Zion is adequately hyped, but RJ barrett turns out to be the best pick of the draft.

尼克斯球迷：希望锡安被捧杀，最后发现巴雷特才是这届新秀的最强者。

[–]Celtics Mexter-Dorgan 70 points 8 hours ago

best case scenario for you guys is it goes the way of the '84 draft. One turns out to be MJ and one turns out to be Hakeem. It just depends now on which it will be. Will Zion be MJ? Will Barrett be Hakeem? Will Tacko be Barkley? Only time will tell.

凯尔特人球迷：对你们来说，最理想的结果是这帮新秀打出84班的成绩。一个打出乔丹的成就，另一个打出奥拉朱旺的成就。就看谁是谁了。锡安会有乔丹的成就吗？巴雷特会有奥拉朱旺的高度吗？塔克-法尔会有巴克利的高度么？这就只有拭目以待了。

[–]Knicks sackshow 81 points 8 hours ago

yes RJ is MJ that one please

尼克斯球迷：没错！巴雷特要打出乔丹的成就，一定要啊！

[–]Knicks RiceOnTheRun 11 points 7 hours ago

Or the 03 draft with RJ being the Wade (minus injuries pls) to Zion’s Lebron.

Knicks sign KD and win the championship in 2022. Zion comes through in 2026 and wins two more rings with RJ.

尼克斯球迷：或者像03届新秀一样，巴雷特成了韦德（伤病一定要少啊），锡安成了詹姆斯。

尼克斯签下杜兰特然后拿下2022年冠军，锡安在2026年加入尼克斯，和巴雷特一起再拿两个冠军。

[–]Huskies kr613 21 points 8 hours ago

Who the fuck knows really. He looked great in college but that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be the same beast in the NBA, at least not right away.

这事儿谁特么说得清楚呢。锡安在大学的表现看着很劲爆，可是这真不一定意味着他在NBA也能打出那种兽性，至少不能马上就显山露水。

[–]Lakers Gristle__McThornbody 12 points 8 hours ago

We will know if he's a bust or for real in the first game of summer league.

湖人球迷：等到他打完夏联首场比赛，咱们就知道他是骡子是马了。

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